*grumble* (WARNING - rant ahead)
Apr. 22nd, 2003 10:43 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
zimon66Am starting to get ticked at my Goth Group - now, I can understand things slowing down and people busy doing other things. What I don't understand is when people are busy in another Group and it's pretty much the same people that also belong to my Group.
At first wasn't too much of a problem because the topics there were mostly about the War and related stuff which I prefer not to be in mine - but as time went on, the type of topics that would be in my Group is happening over there. The posting drops off in mine but stays steady in there.
Plus I go to the trouble of posting things of interest over in mine and little response. Last night I did a post on "Ringu" with some links included - I check in today expecting reactions to it and ZIP!!! Meanwhile things are going gangbusters in the other Group.
Bad enough being ignored in somebody else's Group - but being ignored in my own Group????!!!!
The worst part of it is - it's my Group that get's hit on sometimes by other Mods for active members - and it seems sometimes like I'm just something to be used. It takes a lot of work going thru profiles to find people - I haven't done it lately because it's gotten so much harder for some reason to find and keep newbies since Yahoo went from Clubs to Groups. I use to enjoy looking for people on the New to Goth Interest list, but ever since the high turnover rate happened it's dishearting to invite a bunch of people and hardly anyone joins or if they do up and leave after a couple of days of silent lurking.
Am getting the feeling that newbies just want to be entertained and that's it - no joining in. I allow a lot of freedom topic-wise & posting-wise. Many Mods want people to stay on topic - talk only about this and only this no matter what, post a certain way - no chatter, no one-liners, no whinnying. I run my Group like "Cheers" not a Neo-Nazi camp.
Needed to get that off my chest, if it was kept bottled up to long would have festered then without warning exploded - better to say it in my LJ and let some steam off.
Guess I'll hit the New to Goth Interest list sometime this week and try to get some fresh active blood into my Group.
At first wasn't too much of a problem because the topics there were mostly about the War and related stuff which I prefer not to be in mine - but as time went on, the type of topics that would be in my Group is happening over there. The posting drops off in mine but stays steady in there.
Plus I go to the trouble of posting things of interest over in mine and little response. Last night I did a post on "Ringu" with some links included - I check in today expecting reactions to it and ZIP!!! Meanwhile things are going gangbusters in the other Group.
Bad enough being ignored in somebody else's Group - but being ignored in my own Group????!!!!
The worst part of it is - it's my Group that get's hit on sometimes by other Mods for active members - and it seems sometimes like I'm just something to be used. It takes a lot of work going thru profiles to find people - I haven't done it lately because it's gotten so much harder for some reason to find and keep newbies since Yahoo went from Clubs to Groups. I use to enjoy looking for people on the New to Goth Interest list, but ever since the high turnover rate happened it's dishearting to invite a bunch of people and hardly anyone joins or if they do up and leave after a couple of days of silent lurking.
Am getting the feeling that newbies just want to be entertained and that's it - no joining in. I allow a lot of freedom topic-wise & posting-wise. Many Mods want people to stay on topic - talk only about this and only this no matter what, post a certain way - no chatter, no one-liners, no whinnying. I run my Group like "Cheers" not a Neo-Nazi camp.
Needed to get that off my chest, if it was kept bottled up to long would have festered then without warning exploded - better to say it in my LJ and let some steam off.
Guess I'll hit the New to Goth Interest list sometime this week and try to get some fresh active blood into my Group.
I hear ya !
Date: Apr. 22nd, 2003 11:48 pm (UTC)I like your group. Some of the stuff you guys talk about, I have never heard of before, and would feel stupid commenting on, Then there is stuff like Maddox...that was new to me, and very funny. Often times I am quiet because of HIM, and his friends, and the judgement that has already been passed, by myself as well. But, I will try to be more prolific on your group.
I'm glad you added me to your friend list, wasn't sure how to do that without letting the cat out. Heh.
BTW...meaculpa...LMAO !
~ W ~
Re: I hear ya !
Date: Apr. 23rd, 2003 12:18 am (UTC)Had to stick you on my Friends List - figured if I can't keep up with the posts in your Group I would probably do better job with the LJ at least.
You have nothing to worry about in my Group - well maybe if I go thru with putting up a very disturbing Group pic I got recently. If it stays too quiet like it is, up it goes and that'll get people talking or screaming at me to take it down - LOL!!!
Re: I hear ya !
Date: Apr. 23rd, 2003 12:24 am (UTC)But then, that's me. You can take the girl outta the swamp, but the coon ass never really gets outta the girl. LOL
I say post the pic.
I gotcher back !
~ W ~
Re: I hear ya !
Date: Apr. 23rd, 2003 05:30 am (UTC)Re: I hear ya !
Date: Apr. 23rd, 2003 05:33 am (UTC)Actually, a while back I accused him of trying to start shit between you and me. Never found out if it was true because I don't believe in or act on he-said-she-said crap (gets me in trouble everytime, ask Zimon).
Re: I hear ya !
Date: Apr. 23rd, 2003 09:36 am (UTC)I never thought about that, but I wouldn't doubt it. I KNOW he tried to start shit between Zi and me.
Then again, I have a Baton Rouge complex.
But, I guess that's my own hang up, shall we kiss and make up ?
~ W ~
Re: I hear ya !
Date: Apr. 23rd, 2003 09:36 am (UTC)no subject
Date: Apr. 23rd, 2003 12:18 am (UTC)sorry 'bout the "hijacking"
Date: Apr. 24th, 2003 07:10 am (UTC)now, on to my apology/explanation/excuse...
i understand your frustration.
i cannot speak for other group owners/mods, but my group obviously fits into the "guilty parties" category of your rant, if it is not THE guilty party.
perhaps i should explain why i established my group in the first place: it was a failsafe.
i suspected dean would again delete his group, and i was right. (perhaps this was a self-fulfilling prophecy, but i doubt it given his past behavior.) members there had established dialogue, and i didn't want to lose track of them. yes, many were in other groups; but others weren't. sadly, most of those additional members who came over to my group quit posting anyway, people like nova, who was a major contributor to rlb, and amanda, who now just sticks to her livejournal.
(btw, is it just me, or did the majority of uk yahoo members quit posting outside their own in-country groups?)
anyhow, one of my concerns over further dividing the attention of people whom i knew were oaoog's as well was precisely what you have described. i knew that might be problematic, but i felt it was worth the risk.
i started my group with the intention of posting more politically-oriented material, partially because people sometimes complained in other groups. perhaps people didn't understand the nature of "blogs" on my invite, and soon they complained i didn't have enough non-political stuff in my group as well, and because of my heavy-handed political slant. (i make no aplogies there.)
i'm damned if i do, and i'm damned if i don't.
i continue to post at your group but i notice that those don't seem to generate that much attention, either.
one thing i've noticed though: the heavy political stuff, despite complaints, has generated the most dialogue, and from this people spin-off non-political postings.
as far as the members we have in common--especially the ones who actually post--many of them were, indeed, in your group. most i actually knew from before: glitter, doc, willow, dean, posey. (this said, however, most of my meaningful exchange with these people over the last couple of years has been in oaoog. the latter two have left anyway.) this is not the case with rez, bobby, polecat, and lin-z, though i also have had several other groups in common with them since meeting in oaoog. rez, in particular, represented a quandry for me because despite her stated irritation with things political, i felt it would be rude to have been made co-mod in her group and not to extend an invite to my own group.
the majority of the other members of my group came from yahoo searches (and some from live journal), and--lo and behold--many of them are also oaoog's too.
none of this is to say, however, that your frustration isn't valid: people aren't posting much in your group, and that's annoying. i can always blog political in your group again. but in the past you have expressed some reservation at carrying on too long with it; therefore, i keep it in my own group.
oh, btw, i have some stuff i intend to post this week but have not put up do to my recent illness; i promise i will do so by this weekend, barring any unforseen circumstances.
sorry if i have contributed to your recent frustration. if you have any suggestions beyond "f*ck off", i'd like to hear them?
"f*ck off", i hear enough as is.
Re: sorry 'bout the "hijacking"
Date: Apr. 24th, 2003 11:12 am (UTC)~ W ~
Re: sorry 'bout the "hijacking"
Date: Apr. 24th, 2003 11:14 am (UTC)*sniff!*
*cough!*
Re: sorry 'bout the "hijacking"
Date: Apr. 24th, 2003 09:18 pm (UTC)You did hit the nail on the head - having the same folks member-wise in various Groups will at some point cause things to get stale now and then. For awhile there, res's Group was dying on the vine because we had too many of the same active posters, but she went and got newbies and that fixed the problem.
I'm going to have to go and get new blood - maybe by making May "Japanese Stuff Month" it'll get newbies to stick around and do posting (I hope)
As for UK Yahooers - your guess is as good as mine - maybe it's a passive-agressive response to America doing War *shrugs*